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License expiration dates

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:00 pm
by Dave Lindell
Are civil engineers who are licensed to practice surveying still required to show the expiration date of their license on their stamp?

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:14 pm
by Ric7308
Board Rule 411 covers engineers and land surveyors. 411(a) shows what is required to be shown.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:14 pm
by mpallamary
Assembly Bill 645, which became effective on January 1, 2010, amended Sections 6735, 6735.3, 6735.4, 6764, 8750, 8761, and 8764.5 of the Business and Professions Code. Professional Engineers and Professional Land Surveyors are no longer required to include their license expiration date when they sign and seal their engineering and land surveying documents, nor are they required to include the expiration date in their stamp or seal.

Professional Engineers and Professional Land Surveyors may still choose to include their expiration dates if they wish; however, they are not required by the laws to do so.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 5:17 pm
by Dave Lindell
Thank you, Mr. Pallamary.
The reference to Board Rule 411(a) says what IS required, but doesn't mention the expiration date is no longer required.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:42 pm
by Ric7308
The statute references that MP accurately provided to you ALSO only say what IS required. The Board Rule I provided were changed due to those legislative revisions. Laws won’t generally state what is NOT required. Sorry my response wasn’t sufficient for your needs.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:05 pm
by Dave Lindell
Ric7308
I appreciate the effort.
It used to be that portions deleted or changed were annotated at the end of the relevant section.
I think that is what I was looking for: the date it was repealed, right there at the end of the section.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:12 am
by Ric7308
We post annotated and unannotated versions of the Acts and Rules on the boards website under laws, but only for the most recent year changes. I would imagine we still have the old versions too.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:31 am
by mpallamary
As a quick aside, the inclusion of the expiration date was purely a business decision. In the years leading up to the requirement to include the expiration date, many licensees were not paying their dues in a timely manner. The Board reasoned that if the licensee looked at his/her license on a regular basis, he/she would see that their license was going to expire and that would compel him/her to pay when their licenses came up for renewal.

I hope that problem has been resolved.

PS, I hope everyone takes some time to celebrate Veterans Day. We have much to be thankful for.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:39 am
by LS_8750
I took the exp off my civil stamp about 10 years ago.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:42 am
by PLS7393
I keep my expiration date within my seal, and next to my name.
It shows my license is valid at the time of signing and I have no intentions (or reasons) to not show it.
If not shown, isn't it the governing agencies responsibility to have to look it up and make sure the signing licensee is still valid?

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:48 pm
by sako
not the intend to hijack the post, but what does adding the date next to my stamp and signature will do? does it make my survey more valuable? It merely says when it was signed, the survey could be from 3 months ago.

Re: License expiration dates

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:25 pm
by dedkad
sako wrote:not the intend to hijack the post, but what does adding the date next to my stamp and signature will do? does it make my survey more valuable? It merely says when it was signed, the survey could be from 3 months ago.

This is a good question for the Board, but it is my understanding that the date verifies that you were indeed licensed at the time you stamped the document. If your license expired or was revoked after you signed and dated the document, it shows that it was still valid at the time, so you'd be good. Of course, if your integrity was compromised and you chose to backdate it, it would take some detective work to prove otherwise. I've also found it helpful when reviewing working documents so if something changed, I would know which was the most current.