LINE versus LAND

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LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:45 pm

A question of Curiosity.

Who can tell me the difference between a LINE and LAND?

Thanks!

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Warren Smith » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:49 pm

Property LINES define LAND boundaries.
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Ric7308 » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:35 pm

One vowel and one consonant

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Tue Jun 01, 2021 3:47 pm

I love it Ric! My kind of answer.

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Ian Wilson » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:11 pm

And then there's a LANDLINE...A landline (also known as land line, land-line, main line, home phone, landline, fixed-line, and wireline) is a phone that uses a metal wire or optical fiber ...
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Ian Wilson » Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:11 pm

And, of course, a good fisherman will haul in their LINE and LAND their catch.
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:08 pm

Yes! Good ones again!

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:47 am

Anyone else know the difference from a surveyors' perspective?

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby SPMPLS » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:59 am

Unless defined otherwise, a line has zero width and only exists when marked on the ground. Land is a tangible thing that can be owned and has a quantifiable area.

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:45 am

As a follow up, if a line has zero width, how thick is land and what does land include?

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:54 am

Are you a LAND SURVEYOR or a LINE SURVEYOR?

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Warren Smith » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:00 am

Ah, yes, the many interests in land. Subsurface rights, servitudes, leases, prescriptive, appurtenant, ad valorum taxes, assessments, setbacks, liabilities, obligations, ad nauseum ...
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Ian Wilson » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:02 am

Both.

I look all over the surrounding land trying to find out where to put that elusive line.
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:21 am

Is water land?

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Ian Wilson » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:51 am

Most of San Francisco Bay is lotted up, so...
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:01 am

And air?

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby PLS7393 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:02 am

Are you looking for a logical answer such as the understanding of "Line of Occupation" vs "Deed Line"?
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Warren Smith » Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:03 am

Try flying into military airspace. Or building into a view easement.
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:42 am

Questions: Can you touch LAND? Can you touch a LINE?

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby Warren Smith » Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:47 am

You can get your fingers muddy working on a water line ...
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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:25 pm

Yup!

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 12:39 pm

Hi Keith,

I am seeking an authoritative response from the perspective of a land surveyor. The question is pretty basic.

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby hellsangle » Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:06 pm

Ahhhh Mikeeee . . .

You've done it again . . . teased our minds.

I went to Black's . . . and a cornucopia of line v land exists. (Bounty Land was a new one on me.) Same shotgun list exists in the ACSM terms 'n definitions.

Hope you're not trying to nail those two words down to a single definition . . .

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby mpallamary » Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:18 pm

Thanks! There are some codified definitions out there under California law.

Still seeking a surveyor's perspective/understanding.

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Re: LINE versus LAND

Postby David Kendall » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:48 am

A line is a piece of the land pie.

I believe lines should be defined on their individual merits, typically a factor of original intent, historical occupation and relationship to other lines. The location of a line is based on judgment of evidence.

Now if you put a few of those together then you might enclose some land. This is what I call a boundary survey


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